If Taylor Swift’s mother, Andrea Swift, had been a little more opposed, her beauty routine wouldn’t have included the signature looks she’s sporting.

in a recent appearance Today with Hoda and JennaCelebrity makeup artist Gucci Westman reveals the history behind the creation of the millionaire pop queen’s signature red lip.

Recalling the time she prepared Taylor for the April 2009 Allure cover, Gucci told hosts Jenna Bush Hager and Hoda Kotb: “I I remember I really wanted to wear a red lip on her because I hadn’t seen her in Allure. It was red lip before.”

She added, “Her mom, if I may say so, was like, ‘Well, Taylor doesn’t wear red.’” I was like, ‘Please, can I try this? ‘…Look at her now. “

Gucci has its own cosmetics line, Westman Atelier, and is known for working with A-list stars including Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon and Anne Hathaway.

In 2011, Taylor shared her secret tips for maintaining a red lip in an interview with Allure.

“I learned a few tricks from makeup artists when I was shooting. They put on red lipstick and blot it with a tissue, then dust the tissue with powder and press it onto the lips. Then reapply. It changes it up. into a stain that lasts longer,” she said at the time.