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‘Success is more than tactics’: Fans debate Pep Guardiola’s waning dominance

KANIKA SINGH RATHORE, 17/10/202517/10/2025

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A There has been a lively debate between Independent Readers respond to chief football writer Miguel Delaney Analysis of the post-Guardiola era of games.

Opinion was divided on whether the game’s shift towards “duel, duel, duel” symbolized progress or regression.

Some argued that Pep Guardiola’s possession-based philosophy had always relied on elite technical players, and attempts to replicate it with lesser squads were doomed to fail.

He saw the Premier League’s return to more direct, physical football as inevitable – although one commentator called it a step backwards, and praised Bournemouth’s fast, first-time passing as a more exciting development.

Others suggested that Guardiola’s recent struggles are less about tactics and more about a decline in player quality. Many pointed out that he has only managed clubs with top tier teams, unlike Mourinho or Ancelotti, who achieved success with weaker teams.

Some defended Guardiola’s continued innovation, saying that his willingness to adapt – even towards “Hollandball” – proved his tactical genius.

Most agreed on Guardiola’s lasting influence, saying that his ideas have become so embedded in modern football that even his perceived deviations continue to shape the game’s next tactical revolution.

Here’s what you had to say:

Guardiola’s style requires top players

To me, the Guardiola style only worked for teams that could afford the best technical players – it was an indulgence.

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You can only play successfully from the back if your players are very good, although many teams with poor players have tried and failed. Clubs have realized this of late and now want to play with taller and stronger players for longer periods of time.

Perhaps, this way, the EPL will finally be won by an English manager. But I think this is a regression. The most interesting team in the EPL last season was Bournemouth, as they can move the ball quickly with accurate first-time passes. This is the type of football I want to see. It is also successful and it is very possible that Bournemouth will win the title.

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Success depends on players, not just strategy

Well, I think the crux here is that success is not just related to how you play, but also what players you have. So, the fact that Manchester City is not performing as well as before may simply mean that the quality of the team is not objectively what it used to be.

Another thing to consider is that Guardiola’s tactics have so far only been tested at clubs that were objectively among the best, if not the best, in terms of team quality at the time he managed them – Barcelona, ​​Bayern and ultimately City.

In other words, he never won anything with a club that was not considered a favorite or one of the top favorites. For example, Mourinho never created the kind of magic he did with Porto and Inter Milan, winning the Champions League and beating Barcelona, ​​managed by Guardiola, who was actually a better club. Or Ancelotti, who won multiple Champions League wins with big clubs but during seasons when he did not have dominant teams and beat Guardiola in Champions League semi-finals in both 2022 and 2024 when City clearly had the best team in Europe.

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Pepball innovates but has limitations

Guardiola has done what he always does, which is new.

First, buy the most lethally skilled striker of all time, but keep him on a leash as he scores over 50 goals in his first season despite being almost starved for service.

Secondly, win another title As said the striker slows down a bit (but not that much) but yet he doesn’t have the credit in the bank to ask his boss to do it.

Third, get well and truly humiliated because the pepball has fallen apart and City suffered massive exits last season as Kevin De Bruyne failed to get the job done and team after team took City to the cleaners.

Fourth, yield to the elder Erling, who eventually demands that people pass straight by him and stop passing sideways for five minutes at a time.

With the rest of the Premier League moving forward as quickly as possible, some teams are better equipped than others to play Hollandball.

Can people really be this stupid?

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If the ideology of Pep is really dead, can anyone explain the managers of Scottish lower league diddy clubs who persist in imitating paint drying?

Roston

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‘Is this the moment of the end of football history?’ Of course, if your history is limited to only fifteen years!

What we are seeing is a reversal of the way football used to be played, before Pep came along and ruined it!

The end-to-end excitement of an open game, fast-paced counter-attacks, and sometimes direct attacks.

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Guardiola’s legacy

Guardiola has changed football. And that’s what – five of his retainers are now managing big clubs.

Compare with Klopp…

remember him?

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Some comments in this article have been edited for brevity and clarity.

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